Telegraph for David

[Drogo]

Hi David
Sorry I'm tired up and didn't find your telegraph queries by doing a search. Don't know if this information is something you have or if it helps pin down the start of the telegraph on the Beach.

Article from the Spectator Apr. 15, 1879

H.& N. W. R. Improvements
The H. & N. W. R. Co. opened their station and telegraph office at Burlington Beach yesterday, and will at once make the necessary arrangements for doing a large passenger business between the city and that delightful summer resort. The company have also opened a city ticket office on James St. N., where passengers for all parts of the continent can be supplied with tickets at the lowest rates.

Then another on May 3, 1879

H. & N. W. R. - Mr. Phillips, for some time past station agent on this line at Cheltenham, has been re-stationed at Burlington Beach. Mr. Dickson, of Allandale, succeeds him at Cheltenham.

 

[David O'Reilly]

Hi Drogo. thank you, this is quite interesting. I wonder if it means that the Hamilton and North Western Railroad (H&NW) opened a passenger station 'building' on the beach in 1879, or if 'station' means 'telegraph station'. Because Scott's post quoating Charles Cooper in 'The Railroad's and Radial's Beach Stops' thread, seems to indicate that the Grand Trunk railroad's (GTR) first station building on the beach was built in 1890. The GTR purchased the H&NW in 1888.

So either Scott has missed something in Charles Cooper's book, or Charles Cooper himself has missed something on the H&NW. but I think both of these are unlikely, I think it is probably a misprint in the news paper.

07-15-2013, 11:51 PM
"From the book, Hamilton's Other Railway
Many thanks to Charles Cooper for allowing his work to be posted.
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After the trains out of Hamilton had passed the "Waterworks siding" (constructed by 1880, its switch facing towards Hamilton) and crossed the last of the inlet trestles, in the GTR era the first station to greet visitors was Beach Road, located near the junction of what is now Beach Boulevard and Van Wagners Beach Road. It was built in 1890, and served until the end of passenger service in 1896."
http://hamiltonbeachcommunity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1064.html

 

[Drogo]

David
As this was an actual newspaper report with a date of Apr. 15, 1879 and indicates the opening was yesterday that it is likely an accurate report. Could be as simple as they used a place to open in 1879 and built their own place in 1890.

 

[David O'Reilly]

Drogo
01-16-2015, 11:15 PM
David
As this was an actual newspaper report with a date of Apr. 15, 1879 and indicates the opening was yesterday that it is likely an accurate report. Could be as simple as they used a place to open in 1879 and built their own place in 1890.

Drogo, I was just in touch with Charles Cooper via e-mail, and he indicated that the H&NW's 1879 structure was deffenintly just a telegraph station, and that the first passenger station on the beach was the GTR's 1890 building. He said that in railroad circles, the word 'station' was offten used to refer to a telegraph office.
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[Drogo]

Well there we go David. Tick one more off the list.

 

[David O'Reilly]

Drogo
01-15-2015, 12:52 AM
Hi David
Sorry I'm tired up and didn't find your telegraph queries by doing a search. Don't know if this information is something you have or if it helps pin down the start of the telegraph on the Beach.

Article from the Spectator Apr. 15, 1879

H.& N. W. R. Improvements
The H. & N. W. R. Co. opened their station and telegraph office at Burlington Beach yesterday, and will at once make the necessary arrangements for doing a large passenger business between the city and that delightful summer resort. The company have also opened a city ticket office on James St. N., where passengers for all parts of the continent can be supplied with tickets at the lowest rates.

Then another on May 3, 1879

H. & N. W. R. - Mr. Phillips, for some time past station agent on this line at Cheltenham, has been re-stationed at Burlington Beach. Mr. Dickson, of Allandale, succeeds him at Cheltenham."

The Hamilton and NorthWestern Railroad (H&NW) purchased the Hamilton and Lake Erie Railroad (H&LE) in 1875, which seems to have been operating south along the beach from the Burlington Canal to Jarvous ,by 1873. So the H&LE must have had a telegraph system on the beach at that time.

"The two major local (i.e., promoted by local civic business interests) enterprises were the Hamilton & Lake Erie and the Port Dover & Lake Huron Railways."

..."As early as 1835, while still a town, Hamilton had chartered the Hamilton & Port Dover Railroad in recognition of the need for traffic to be brought to its harbour to stimulate local trade of goods, produce and natural resources."... "So it was that in the same year as the arrival of the Great Western Railway in Hamilton (1853), the original pioneer charter of the Hamilton & Port Dover Railroad was reactivated as the Hamilton & Port Dover Railway (H&PD."... "The project then languished and was not revived until 1869 as the Hamilton & Lake Erie Railway (H&LE) when construction resumed with a new contractor. Aside from its chronic struggle with financing, the H&LE then also had to negotiate with the Grand Trunk Railway (successor owner of the B&LH) at Caledonia and with the Canada Southern at Hagersville to cross their respective tracks. At Jarvis it also had to arrange for joint station facilities with the GWR's Air Line. Traffic commenced from Hamilton to Jarvis in 1873, with Jarvis becoming the temporary terminus."..." It was not until 1878 that the railway passed from Haldimand County through to Norfolk County when its last leg from Jarvis to Port Dover was completed under the auspices of the Hamilton & North Western Railway (H&NW), which had assumed the H&LE in 1875 and then built its own station at Jarvis."

http://www.railwaypages.com/haldimand-norfolk-counties

this bit of info from the Hamilton Harbour 1826/1901 site for the year 1875 while vague, seems to infer that the H&LE at least was at the Hamilton Harbour in 1875.

"Grain in store at the Great Western Ry. is about 240,000 bushels; flour, 25,000 bbls. The Hamilton & Lake Erie Ry. has about 9,000 bbls. of flour."
http://www.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/documents/Brookes/default.asp?ID=Y1875#p12.75.7









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